New XC comp. I propose that the DSC purchase a trophy in memory of Ben Morris to be awarded to the pilot that makes the most XC`s taking of at a DSC site and landing at a Peak site or Peak to DSC site. All entrants for the comp will have to be Peak and DSC members. I will check the membership and BHPA status of all pilots entering a flight. Are there any Peak members out there that object to this Idea?
Please make your suggestions for the Morris minor xc cup format and rules.
My format is. Open to HG and PG. Solo and Tandem.
Take off from any DSC or Peak site in the appropriate site guide.
Landing or passing with in 1 km of take-off any DSC or Peak site. This should avoid having to land in a turbulent area.
Only one flight per day per pilot to count, simple scoring. This will avoid Shining to Cats 20 times in a day.
Distance score by Kilometres.
Tandem pilots score double.
Maximum number of scoring flights per pilot 20, every entered score counts.
Pilots responsibility to enter each flight.
Weekend solo flights score double.
Open to Pilot rated and CP rated pilots under coaching?
Flights should be submitted within Six weeks of the flight.
Any disputes will be ruled by DSC competitions officer.
Clive at Fairhaven Derby. Has kindly offered a prize for this comp. One of his very latest flight instruments the Fairhaven Micro Alti+
http://www.altivario.com/
Macpara have offered a flight Cockpit. http://www.macpara.com/en/others.html
Dean has kindly donated a Nova Concertina bag https://www.nova.eu/en/shop/
Skybean are with us, offering a SkyDrop and a SkyBean Please visit there website www.skybean.eu
Steve.
Please make your suggestions for the comp format and rules.
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Only one flight per day per pilot to count. This should avoid Shining to Cats 20 times in a day.
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Hi Steve,
I would suggest allowing more than one flight per day if the sites are different. So Cats->Shining, then Shining->Bradwell would be allowed in a single day, but not Cats->Shining then Shining->Cats.
Cheers - Dave
I think this is an interesting idea that has potential to
a) encourage local pilots to be members of both clubs
b) increase awareness of other Peak District sites (where they are, what wind direction they take,etc)
c) counter the current inter-club animosity by creating a fun comp where both DSC and PSA members are aiming for the same thing
d) hone individual skills in XC forecasting and flight planning.
I think the current idea will have limited appeal though. You generally only land when there's no point staying up any longer, or when you have a bigger incentive to land than carry on. I've had dreams of landing at an attractive target (like my house in Sheffield or Airways) but when the opportunity arrived, I just carried on (except once when I set goal for airways, my GPS was on the blink and I wanted a witness). So while there's potential to carry on and have an epic adventure, I don't think anyone will choose to land to gather points towards the "Benmo Cup", unless they were so low they would have landed there anyway - like my accidental flight from Lords to Chelmorton.
But there are a couple of routes between PSA and DSC sites that would be viable in certain wind directions - due to airspace limiting any further distance. I can imagine a route like Mam(or Treak) to Shining might be worth trying and possibly Bunster to Rushup in a SSE. But I can't really think of any other likely scenarios, so think we might not get many takers in this comp. Would it be worth broadening it out somehow... maybe any flight from one Peak district site to another - regardless of which club has primary responsibility for the site?
( Isn't there a danger if you don't force pilots to land then experienced pilots on longer flights will just dominate the league by flying by "on their way" to longer XCs)
May be, but Advanced pilots are not eligible for this comp. If you fly from Roaches to Stanage you get the same score as Roaches to Stanage and beyond.
To win this comp you will have to be good. To take part you will have to be up for the Adventure.
Lord seat to Darely moor airfield? Would you like to invite Airways flight park in to the comp?
Interesting idea and worth exploring further.
I think maybe there are at least issues that needs to be addressed especially if if the contest is aimed at and limited to limited less experienced pilots.
ISSUE ONE
Most of our and PSA's sites have negotiated landing fields which are safe to use when the wind orientation is on the hill.
There is no problem while start and finish hills have the same orientation (eg Bunster to Lords seat or Shining to Bradwell) but if they have different orientations then pilot's landing within a cylinder may have to land in other fields to avoid turbulance and land safely. while landing out on non negotiated away from sites on XC seldom hurts our sites, it may not be so welcome to land in the wrong fields close to our or PSA's sites.
If they only have to pass through the cylinder this is not such an issue - but if they have to land in it, it could cause some bother with farmers.
ISSUE TWO
If people really get into the comp isn't it a bit of disincentive to get you Advanced Pilot rating if you then have to drop out. If you want to limit it why not go for EN A's and B's only OR pilots with less than 300 hours
We don't really want disincentives for pilots learning more, improving their skills and getting the best rating they can!
However these are things that could be worked out and it is an interesting idea if there are enough dual club members interested enough to go for it .
Dear Mark.
You have highlighted issues that may arise in the future and can be solved.
If there are problems with pilots landing within 1 km of our flying site, we must be really be unpopular.
If the Advanced pilots really what to join in then it can be looked at.
Do you want to join in with this comp?
Steve
I like the idea, i like the format, and i like the Morris Minor XC name, and I like that Benmo is being remembered. It works better if pilots can continue flying rather than landing at the site. 2 flights (eg Cats to shinibg then Shining to Brad) should only count as 2 flights if pilot lands, otherwise the declared triangle baggers have yet another comp to win. Including/excluding experienced pilots... Don't know. It's a fun idea so i want to play.. but i don't know how you could keep it fair. Handicap system? E.g. every 4 years' experience knocks 2 points off your score? Not very policeable (unless you can get the date pilots joined the bhpa) but maybe the pilots who want to play at a little friendly comp are honest enough not to cheat? (Although if the Numpty Cup is anything to go by I could be wrong here)
I hear that Nuala's collating all the info so presume we all tell her about any Morris Minor flights and email her with the names of the sites, the distance between them and our tracklog?
I flew from Lords to Chelmorton last week so been trying to figure out what I need to do. I score slightly more by designating the "fly from" site as Mam Tor rather than Lords. I flew within a 1k radius of Mam and a 1k radius of Chelmorton, and the distance between the two launch points (as recorded in PG Earth) is just shy of 13k.
So I've emailed Nuala (nuala.godfrey at hotmail.com) saying
"My flight for the Morris Minor XC Cup from Mam Tor NW to Chelmorton, 12.95km" and attached my tracklog. I attempted to fly back to Chelmorton as Steve Hudson was teaching there, but looking at my track I could have easily got to High Wheeldon or even Crowdecote. I'll have to plan better next time!
Do we have a date for when the Morris Minor season should close?
Great to know the game is on.
If we want to give the prize at the Christmas party then 1st December?
In the peaks we do get decent winter flying with some site to site xc possible so may be March 1st? 2016.
We do not have a Morris Minor Trophy yet?
We do have 5 Prizes, should they all go to the winner?
Do we give a prize to each of the top five pilots?
Steve.